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Saving Stories: Calculating the perfect derby ride from the far outside

Arthur Hancock III, speaks of his grandfather, Pillars of the Turf inductee Arthur B. Hancock, during an induction ceremony for the National Museum of Racing and Hall of Fame at the Fasig-Tipton Humphrey S. Finney Pavilion on Friday, Aug. 3, 2018, in Saratoga Springs, N.Y. (AP Photo/Hans Pennink)
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Arthur Hancock III, speaks of his grandfather, Pillars of the Turf inductee Arthur B. Hancock, during an induction ceremony for the National Museum of Racing and Hall of Fame at the Fasig-Tipton Humphrey S. Finney Pavilion on Friday, Aug. 3, 2018, in Saratoga Springs, N.Y. (AP Photo/Hans Pennink)

Over our 15-year collaboration with the UK Libraries’ Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, WUKY’s Saving Stories has brought you numerous Kentucky Derby themed segments featuring the likes of Eddie Arcaro, Penny Chenery, W.T. Young and Arthur B. Hancock III. This week to celebrate Derby 150, Center Director Doug Boyd and Alan Lytle continue that tradition by returning to a 2019 interview with another story by Hancock. In this part of the conversation the Stone Farm horse breeder and owner talks about how he used the Pythagorean theorem to calculate the perfect ride for eventual winner Gato Del Sol in the 1982 Kentucky Derby. Until that day no horse from the far outside had ever won the signature race. It's a similar scenario 5-2 morning line favorite Fierceness is facing this Saturday.


The interview is part of an ongoing project called Life’s Work, which documents the stories of equine industry professionals many of whom have spent their entire lives with the care and management of Thoroughbred horses. The interviews reflect on breeding, foaling, racing, farm management, history, and after care amidst the ups and downs of economics, success, and luck. The launch of Life’s Work results from the partnership with UK Libraries Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, Keeneland Association, Keeneland Library and Museum Foundation, and the Thoroughbred Daily News (TDN). Twenty interviews, conducted by TDN’s Chris McGrath and based in the Kentucky Bluegrass, constitute the initial harvest gathered in July 2019.

Access the Nunn Center’s full interview with Arthur B. Hancock III online:

https://kentuckyoralhistory.org/ark:/16417/xt7106xqph662

Access the Nunn Center’s Life’s Work: Reflections on Life in the Equine Industry Oral History Project online: https://kentuckyoralhistory.org/ark:/16417/xt7lqxqwlnc2x

Here are some other related Nunn Center collections:

Horse Industry in Kentucky Oral History Project

Project Summary

This project contains interviews with a variety of Kentucky horse industry professionals from trainers, owners, and farm managers to jockeys and breeders. Subjects discussed include Kentucky politics and government, Kentucky Derby, racing organizations, national race tracks, Churchill Downs, horse racing, horse breeding, farm management, thoroughbred race horses, African Americans in the horse industry, women in the horse industry, equine medicine, and laws and legislation. Thoroughbred Industry audio-visual project interviews conducted by Blood-Horse Magazine are also included in this collection.

https://kentuckyoralhistory.org/ark:/16417/xt78gt5ff61n

Chronicle of African Americans in the Horse Industry Oral History Project

Project Summary

The Chronicle of African Americans in the Horse Industry is an online, interactive archive of photos, documents, artifacts, and oral histories of African Americans who have worked, and continue to work in equine industries. The International Museum of the Horse partnered with the Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History to archive and preserve the oral history component of the Chronicle.

https://kentuckyoralhistory.org/ark:/16417/xt7qt7l5rpzzd

Equestrian Competition Oral History Project

Project Summary

This is a series of interviews with members of the horse industry, with a focus on the 2010 World Equestrian Games held in Lexington, Kentucky.

https://kentuckyoralhistory.org/ark:/16417/xt7w9g5gf92j

Alan Lytle has more than 25 years of experience as a Kentucky broadcaster. Over that span he has earned multiple awards for anchoring, writing and producing news & features for WUKY. He took home the Kentucky Broadcasters Association's Best Radio Anchor award in 2021.